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Dick Grayson ([personal profile] batmanschmatman) wrote2011-04-10 01:18 am

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I know it's kind of ridiculous to try to look for a point to any of this? But I still think it if we were going to be able to be contacted by people not on the Barge, it would have been more handy to let us pick who we could contact. And when to contact them in the timeline.

I hate time travel.

[Private to Costigan]

I saw you talking with Sullivan. How are you doing?

[Private to Hayley]

So, I met your Harvey.

[Private to Bruce; added a little later]

You told Crane?
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-10 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
[Cissie winces at that. She can guess it's something along those lines. You don't go from a twelve to a five that quickly unless some other emotion interferes.] Yeah? How come?
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-10 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
[She glances at him and debates how to answer that.] ...He's told me most of it.
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-10 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
[Cissie actually stops walking at that, to stare at him. Because... seriously, what?]

Are you--of course you're not kidding. But what the hell?
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-10 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
That is such complete bullshit, [she says fiercely, falling into step with him again.] He does not get to judge how you all chose to deal with his death. I mean, okay. Out of loyalty to Tim, I am obligated to say that you could have handled things better, but that's--not really you, since it hasn't happened for you. And in all seriousness, you were all grieving, and if anybody gets making stupid decisions you'll regret later in that state of mind, it's me.
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-11 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
[Cissie sighs a little, trying to figure out how to respond to all of that.] It's not fair to get mad at you for stuff you haven't done yet. And... Look, Tim's been known to lash out and push people away when he's hurting too, and whoever else is angry with you has probably done it too. It happens, and it sucks, but what matters is that if people really care about you, you can fix it later. I'm not kidding--Bruce died. It screwed you all up. And I don't think it's a terrible thing if you do eventually grow to like being Batman. I mean, as far as future-you knows, you're stuck with it. If you hate it forever, you're going to be ineffective and you're going to resent everything about it. Then you may as well not do it. But I seriously doubt it's like you jumped into the suit the day after he died and the minute you put it on decided you found your calling. Come on. If you're going to be Batman, you're going to do it your way and you have to be able to live with yourself and do whatever gets you through every day.
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-11 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
[She gives him a little smile.] Don't be. It's better than keeping it bottled up inside and--like I said--I'm mostly uninvolved and already know the secret stuff. Besides, I didn't have to bully you into talking, so that's a plus.

[She takes a breath and shakes her head, scowling again.] Bruce is... a selfish jerk. I'm sorry, but he is. If he can't even let go of his own ego to consider what you must have gone through... I don't even know. But whatever he did to Crane was stupid and selfish and jerky too, because seriously? I knew Tim for almost a year before accidentally finding out his name, because he wouldn't let Tim tell us. And here he goes just... not even caring?
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-11 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
Hello? Exactly. I think pulling that means he loses his right to get all picky about who you and Tim chose to tell. And that's just the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If Batman is more important, then what is he even doing on the Barge at all? If any of you pulled something like that, he would have flipped out.
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-11 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
[She makes a face.] I almost feel bad for his inmate.
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-11 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
[That gets a light snort.] I think that's a lesson he should learn pretty quickly. The other wardens aren't going to put up with him interfering very much. I mean... I doubt Eames is going to let this go, or he shouldn't. The problem with this is that Bruce is denying it and Crane isn't the most trustworthy of inmates, and I doubt Bruce left much evidence behind. And that's just--unfair.

[Why yes, she is thinking of the time Tim had to spend a week in Zero for beating up the Joker after he killed Shego. If people beat on Crane for being a douche, he'd be getting attacked every week.]
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-11 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously. Waiting that long to do something, it's... Look, this will be a horrible metaphor, but you can't punish children or animals so long after they've done something wrong that they don't remember what they're being punished for. And if one parent gives a punishment, it's not up to... the next door neighbor to come along and try to punish them too.

Not just him, either. If he was anyone else, it would be easy to prove it happened, and any warden that attacks an inmate--theirs or not--should be punished. Especially when it's not their place to step in. And that's not even getting into how much this might have damaged whatever progress Eames was making with Crane. It's not okay. Maybe I've been spending too much time with Howie, but if we're going to just undermine each other all the time without any repercussions, what's the point?
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-11 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
[Cissie continues walking quietly, thinking. She's not sure this is a good idea or not, but it's a nagging feeling she's getting.] I think... maybe that's what you need to do. Or at least, you have to make it clear how much he's screwed up with this. I mean--hear me out. I think the only people who can get through to him here are you and Tim. Maybe Steph, but I don't know much about that. What would he do if any of you pulled that kind of stunt?
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-12 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
[That surprises a laugh out of Cissie.] It might surprise him, but it might take more than one punch to knock sense into him, if that's your goal.
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[personal profile] cisskabob 2011-04-12 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
You would think, [she agrees, making a face.]

...You know, I think you and Tim need to talk about this. Figure out together how to handle it, because he'll have a harder time fighting against a united front than the two of you reacting emotionally on your own. And maybe he needs to hear that metaphor, but he might also need to hear what an ass he's being and... maybe you need to shut him out until he gets it. Maybe he needs, like, an intervention, but mostly I think the two of you probably know him best and have probably the best chance of getting through to him.